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Extremist rhetoric is often found in government messaging. Who's the target?
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DETROW:
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YOUSEF:
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+ professor
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− choices
+ strategy
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+ that
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+ is also a mainstay
− what
+ extremist
− historically
+ movements:
− was
+ plausible
− contained
+ deniability.
"It
− within
+ is
− fringe
+ a
− extremist
+ widespread
− movements.
+ communication
− Now,
+ style,
− Trump
+ but
− has
+ it's
− said
+ certainly
− he
+ very
− did
+ prevalent
− not
+ in
− see
+ far-right
− that
+ extremist
− part
+ propaganda and broader types
− the
+ communication,"
− post
+ Simi
− that
+ said.
− depicted
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+ what
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+ it
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+ but
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+ if
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+ way
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+ might
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+ [be]
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+ ...
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+ it.'"
Since
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+ Trump
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+ to
− in
+ office,
− contrast
+ Simi
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+ has
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+ tracked
− dog
+ social
− whistles
+ media
− or
+ output
− insider
+ from
− references
+ federal
− of
+ agencies
− other
+ that
− messaging
+ echo
− that,
+ extremist
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+ propaganda.
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+ He
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− people
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+ has
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+ a
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+ number
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+ he
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+ considers "double speak."
− DETROW:
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+ way to establish plausible deniability."
One
− title
+ most notable examples Simi cites
− a
+ this
− racist
+ is
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− book
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+ recruitment
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+ way,
− canon.
+ American
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+ man?"
− example,
+ To
− we've
+ Simi,
− discussed
+ Kieffer
− on
+ and
− this
+ others
− show
+ who
− before,
+ study
− Scott,
+ white
− the
+ nationalism,
− concept
+ it
− of
+ called
− remigration
+ back
− that
+ to
− DHS
+ a
− and
+ racist,
− the
+ antisemitic
− State
+ book
− Department
+ titled
− have
+ Which
− publicly
+ Way
− endorsed.
+ Western
− That
+ Man?
− concept
+ that
− was
+ is
− popularized
+ read
− by
+ within
− far-right
+ neo-Nazi
− ultranationalists
+ circles.
− in
+ In
− Europe.
+ a
− You
+ written
− know,
+ statement,
− NPR
+ DHS
− asked
+ did
− DHS
+ not
− about
+ offer
− the
+ comment
− pattern
+ on
− of
+ a
− public
+ question
− messaging
+ about
− that
+ the
− resembles
+ similarities
− white
+ between
− nationalist
+ the
− propaganda,
+ post
− a
+ the
− spokesperson
+ book
− wrote
+ title.
A
− back,
+ DHS
− quote,
+ spokesperson
− "by
+ wrote, "By
− standards,
+ standards
− canceled
+ cancelled
− Nazi
− -
+ Nazi.
− not
+ Not
− Nazi
+ 'Nazi
− propaganda,"
+ propaganda.'"
"Folks
− end
+ that
− quote.
DETROW:
+ are
− What
+ familiar
− is
+ with white supremacist propaganda would undoubtedly be familiar with that book and would see that it's referencing
− point
+ book
− of
+ with
− this
+ the
− kind
+ slight change in the one word for outsiders, [who] probably never heard
− messaging,
+ the
− though?
+ book,"
− I
+ Simi
− mean,
+ said.
− I
+ "And
− think
+ so
− it's
+ that
− fair
+ would not mean much
− say
+ them."
Ward said the table was set for extremism-infused public messaging before Trump began his second term. Throughout the 2024 election cycle, Trump and many Republican lawmakers' unsubstantiated claim
− most
+ Democrats
− Americans
+ were
− are
+ intentionally
− not
+ bringing
− supportive
+ in
− of
+ undocumented
− white
+ immigrants
− nationalism
+ to
− or
+ vote
− extremism.
+ illegally echoed the "great replacement" conspiracy theory.
− YOUSEF:
+ NPR
− That's
+ asked
− absolutely
+ the
− right.
+ White
− I
+ House
− mean,
+ for
− white
+ comment
− nationalists
+ on
− comprise
+ similarities
− a
+ between
− very
+ claims
− small
+ from
− proportion
+ Trump
− of
+ and
− American
+ administration's
− public.
+ claims
− You
+ about
− know,
+ immigrants
− people
+ and
− I've
+ "replacement"
− been
+ theory.
− speaking
+ White
− to
+ House
− think
+ spokeswoman
− this
+ Abigail Jackson responded in writing, saying: "There
− really
+ nothing racist
− training
+ wanting to ensure only American citizens vote in American elections."
Nevertheless,
− public's
+ characterization
− reflexes
+ of
− to
+ immigration
− associate
+ as
− certain
+ an
− ideas
+ "invasion,"
− with
+ federal
− each
+ calls
− other.
+ to
− For
+ "protect"
− example,
+ or
− associating
+ "defend
− immigrants
+ the
− with
+ homeland,"
− crime,
+ and
− associating
+ the
− America
+ promotion
− with
+ of
− whiteness.
+ "remigration"
− But,
+ are
− you
+ among
− know,
+ the
− Scott,
+ examples
− for
+ that
− me,
+ researchers
− it's
+ cite
− troubling
+ when they claim
− covering
+ the
− domestic
+ administration
− extremism
+ has
− is
+ mainstreamed
− now
+ once-fringe
− not
+ concepts.
"It's
− just
+ very
− about
+ much
− tracking
+ signaling
− fringe
+ to
− groups,
+ a
− but
+ lot
− tracking
+ of
− federal
+ these
− government
+ white
− -
+ nationalist
− you
+ groups
− know,
+ that
− federal
+ their
− government
+ policy
− messaging.
You
+ goals
− know,
+ are
− one
+ being
− person
+ actualized
− who
+ and
− explains
+ that
− how
+ they're
− all
+ seeing kind
− this
+ their
− fits
+ rhetoric
− together
+ now
− is
+ showing
− J.M.
+ up
− Berger.
+ in
− He's
+ the Twitter feed of
− scholar
+ government
− at
+ agency,"
− the
+ Kieffer
− Middlebury
+ said.
While
− Institute
+ the pattern
− International
+ callbacks
− Studies.
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+ clear
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+ to
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+ tracking
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+ federal
− He
+ propaganda
− says
+ over
− extremism
+ the
− actually
+ last year, there
− the
+ less
− belief
+ clarity around what purpose it serves. Kieffer said it is possible
− your
+ DHS
− community
+ hopes
− can
+ to
− only
+ recruit
− be
+ individuals
− successful
+ affiliated with extremist groups
− secure
+ movements
− if
+ into
− it's
+ the
− engaged
+ ranks
− in
+ of
− harmful
+ immigration
− action
+ enforcement
− against
+ agents.
− another
+ So
− community.
+ far,
− And
+ however, there has been no clear evidence
− belief
+ this
− can
+ is
− be
+ occurring
− promoted
+ in
− by
+ significant numbers. DHS did not respond to
− government
+ question
− itself.
+ from
− Berger
+ NPR
− calls
+ asking whether it is using
− lawful
+ messaging
− extremism,
+ intentionally
− where
+ to recruit extremists to join Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Customs and Border Protection.
In fact, Ward said
− apparatus
+ number
− the
+ Americans
− state
+ who fall into this category
− used
+ so
− to
+ small
− enforce
+ that
− those
+ it
− systems
+ would
− of
+ be
− supremacy
+ a
− and
+ disproportionate
− harm.
+ focus
− And
+ for
− Scott,
+ relatively
− I
+ small
− think
+ gain.
− it's
+ Instead,
− a
+ he
− term
+ said
− we
+ he
− might
+ sees
− think
+ this
− about
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